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Monday, October 3, 2011

Aubrey's Analysis of "How to Argue Effectively"

Aubrey Bennett
Professor Spencer
Honors Writing and Rhetoric
3 September 2011
Oh Yeah? Well You're Just Stupid

Arguing is a very beneficial way to help enlighten someone's opinion. That may sound completely opposite of what society says, but that is because society as a whole does not know how to argue. Take this scenario for instance between John and Kara, a married couple. Now, John and Kara sporadically yell at each other but neither of them ever enlightens the other one's view and continually arguing only makes them more angry. However, in a turn of events, one day John gained the upper hand in an argument. He actually made Kara pause in her sputtering, and he thought she might understand. Kara, on the other hand, now scatterbrained, was not one to lose an argument, so in her utter desperation she frantically shrieked, “Well. Well, you are just stupid!” John threw up his hands and walked away, giving up. This sounds like a typical argument that many couples have. What they do not realize is this is faulty arguing because Kara’s reasoning is not sound and as a result she and John are not able to progress or understand each other. All Kara is doing is attacking John, which is known as a fallacy. In his article, “How to Argue Effectively,” Dave Berry effectively teaches one how not to argue by using fallacies. He effectively shows this by using an appeal to pathos, through the humorous way that he discusses his topic, an appeal to logos, by convincing the reader not to argue faultily, and irony, by his false assumptions that others respected him, to deduct that arguing is not effective when faultily reasoning.

The first tool that Dave Berry uses to support his thesis is an appeal to pathos through his humor. In his quote, “’Didn’t you read it? Say this in the same tone of voice you would use to say, ‘You left your soiled underwear in my bathroom,’” Dave Berry deceives his opponent regarding his understanding of the subject at hand even though he personally knows none or little aobut the subject, and then he tries to make his opponent feel stupid by questioning his or her knowledge on the subject (148). Through this first humorous quote, the reader is set at ease enjoying the comicality aspect of the paper, but not really taking the “advice” to heart. They do not really believe that to effectively argue one should make up information, but rather they understand that in order to have credibility, accurate information is necessary. Dave Berry has repeated instances of humor in his text as he uses fallacies, which is one of the reasons why it is so enjoyable to read. Thus, he is able to get his point across that fallacies do not legitimize an argument, but rather they weaken it.

Another tool that Dave Berry uses to support his thesis is an appeal to logos. In his quote, “So that’s it. You now know how to out-argue anybody. Do not try to pull any of this on people who generally carry weapons,” he sums up his point in the last sentence that if the reader uses any of his “advice” all they are going to do is make someone angry (148). Arguing is beneficial at times, when an opponent is willing to listen, but it is exasperating when they are not willing to listen. He gives the reader every possible tool to persevere in an argument until he or she eventually gives up. The reason the arguer outlasts them though is because the only desire the agitated opponent will receive from them is the urge to knock them out so they will be quiet. In fact, he repeatedly gives examples throughout his text that arguing like that will not benefit the reader, but will only make their opponents angry. Thus, the reader is able to deduce that Dave Berry is not serious and that arguing with faulty logic is defective.

Finally, yet another tool that Dave Berry uses to support his thesis is irony. He opens up the topic of his article with an ironic quote that goes as follows, “I argue very well. Ask any of my remaining friends. I can win an argument on any topic, against any opponent. People know this and steer clear of me at parties. Often, as a sign of their great respect, they don’t even invite me” (147). This quote is ironic because he interprets these actions of other persons towards himself as positive ones when in reality they are not. Dave Berry does this repeatedly through his text by preferring to see others abhorrence for him as signs of respect. Because his arguments were flawed and he did not ever admit that they were, those with whom he argued with could not stand him. They did not invite him to parties because they did not enjoy talking to him since he never listened and he believed he was a source for all knowledge whether correct or not. Through his ironic outlook on his relationships with others, the reader is more fully able to understand that to argue effectively one must do it without fallacies.

Dave Berry’s ironic use of fallacies through his appeal of pathos and logos not only makes his article enjoyable to read, but more fully convinces the reader to actually argue effectively. He catches his reader’s attention by making his article humorous and therefore, unbelievable. Then, he convinces his reader to not argue like the way he says by repeatedly telling of the consequences that came about because he argued like that. The ironic part comes in when he believes that people reacted coldly towards him as a result of their respect and awe. If Kara and John were to read his article, they would feel stupid because that is exactly how they argued.

12 comments:

  1. I think you could cut a lot out of your first paragraph. Dealing with a fictional Kara and John makes it hard to find a thesis. It's sort of like a word-swamp. Maybe put your thesis at the BEGINNING, and then introduce the contentious couple.

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  2. Personally, I don't think that there is any way of arguing effectively. I have never in my life either convinced or seen someone
    convinced of something they previously opposed through arguing. The way that I think of it, Christ never argued to prove his point,(even with the Pharisees)so obviously it must be the best way of dealing with people.
    Anyway, just a thought. Good Paper.

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  3. I just think that you need to reread through the paper. You can cut out a lot of the commas, rephrase, and reword a lot so that everything fits together better and reads more smoothly. I liked your points, though, and it had really good ideas!

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  4. I think you made some strong points. I do agree with what the other people have said: you could cut out a lot of unnecessary information, particularly in your introduction paragraph. I think the story about John and Kara could be shortened or taken out all together.

    Your topic sentences in each paragraph are very similar to each other, so you may want to switch some of those up.

    You did have good ideas for your arguments though!
    -Jamie Jasperson

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  5. I have no idea where Kara and John came from. I would probably cut them out. =/

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  6. I agree, take out the story in the beginning, it is unnecessary and just makes your important points more foggy.

    Use a different word than enlighten in the first sentence, It doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps use words like "develop" or "construct."

    In the 2nd paragraph in the 5th line, the word "about" is mistyped

    I like the way you ended the 2nd paragraph, that and a few other parts are powerful. As for the rest of the paper, it is very casual. I would clean it up a bit because your points are valid but you repeat concepts quite a bit and it feels like it is written by a teenager.

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  7. I like the idea of a narrative approach to the intro; however, I think that's awfully long and wordy. You can just a well use the married couple image (which, by the way, is a good choice for your point) in waaaayyy fewer words. Make a distinction, also, between arguing and EFFECTIVE arguing.

    I also appreciate the clarity of your thesis; you did not simply spell out "logosethospathos" but rather told me exactly how he used logos, how he used pathos, and how he used ethos- I then knew what to expect from your paper. Applause.

    However, what I DON'T want as a reader is for your topic sentence in each subsequent paragraph to sound so much like your thesis statement that I feel like I'm reading a fifth grade, five-paragraph essay. Wait- is this a five paragraph essay? Yup. Formulaic and ever'thang. (Don't be afraid to mix it up a little. That intro could be broken into two paragraphs- one for the married couple anecdote and one for the thesis. Just an example.)

    And, while I see lots of the word, "irony," I see none of the word, "satire," which is, really, what you're arguing. Go look up the definition of satire. You've written an entire analysis on Barry's use of it, and are pretty spot-on, and have just not put the actual word in there.

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  8. I enjoyed your paper. Until I didn't. The way you wrote your paper made it lack flow. I had to continuously re-read parts because they didn't sound right. You probably should have paid more attention to your grammar and word choices. You do know that there is a writing center in the JKB where they will go over grammar specifically right? It is on the 4th floor. Next time you turn in a paper for a grade you should go talk to them first. They can really improve your paper.

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  9. I agree with the others saying that you can probably use just a little more review to seek out some minor errors. I really Do like that you identify all of his tools at the very beginning of each of your paragraphs. I know professor Spencer really looks for that, so that was pretty good in that respect.

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  10. I did enjoy reading your paper.
    There were a couple of places, your third paragraph specifically, where the sentences were a little jumbled.
    A minor detail that probably isn't that important but just something I noticed, the author's last name is 'Barry' and not 'Berry.'
    Other than those two things, I thought your paper was great!

    Bergen Beesley

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  11. Your paper made me somewhat interested in that article and now I feel like reading it.

    Your paper had just a few issues:

    Your intro paragraph is really,really long. It could easily divided into two paragraphs, one for how effective arguing is beneficial and your Kara and John story, the other for introducing the article.
    The wording is a little awkward and confusing in places.
    Seemed a little repetitive.

    Keep up the good work!

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  12. This paper was seriously great. That sounds really lame to say just like that; however, your analysis was very logical and very spot-on. I wrote a paper on the same essay, and we had completely different interpretations; but I your thesis, and the points that you made were just logical and they simply made sense. It was an easy paper to read and it all simply made sense. Wonderful job!

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